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		<title>By: Leo Braun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Barely mentioned WLP and instead concetrated on informing the small crowd about how 9/11 was a fucking cover-up while everyone, including myself, cringed&quot;.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/wheres-that-wikileaks-party-inquiry.html?showComment=1379994981421#c6114156808452730269&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lest We Forget&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;I believe in facts about conspiracies&quot;!&lt;/b&gt; &quot;Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It&#039;s important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there&#039;s enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news&quot;.

&lt;b&gt;What about 9/11?&lt;/b&gt; &quot;I&#039;m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud&quot;. &lt;b&gt;What about the Bilderberg conference?&lt;/b&gt; &quot;That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We have published their meeting notes&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.

Since when did WikiLeaks become the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-end-your-war-on-911-truth&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tip of the spear&lt;/a&gt; in the global war for truth, transparency, knowledge, and freedom? An organization that rejects the truth that 9/11 was &lt;a href=&quot;http://thedailybell.com/1750/Frauds-of-WikiLeaks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an inside job&lt;/a&gt; is not working to promote transparency, free speech, and truth, but more nefarious causes. 

Those who seek to marginalize the global 9/11 &lt;a href=&quot;http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-annoyed-911-truth&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;truth and justice movement&lt;/a&gt; are not on the right side of history. The official 9/11 fable does not rest on solid foundations, but on totalitarian propaganda and trauma-based collective brainwashing. By endorsing the 9/11 fable, WikiLeaks proved itself to be a compromised organization that has no interest in revealing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/22/911-narrative-remains-broad-and-repetitious&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;secret truths&lt;/a&gt; to the masses of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Barely mentioned WLP and instead concetrated on informing the small crowd about how 9/11 was a fucking cover-up while everyone, including myself, cringed&#8221;.</p>
<p><b><a href="http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/wheres-that-wikileaks-party-inquiry.html?showComment=1379994981421#c6114156808452730269" rel="nofollow">Lest We Forget</a>: &#8220;I believe in facts about conspiracies&#8221;!</b> &#8220;Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It&#8217;s important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there&#8217;s enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news&#8221;.</p>
<p><b>What about 9/11?</b> &#8220;I&#8217;m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud&#8221;. <b>What about the Bilderberg conference?</b> &#8220;That is vaguely conspiratorial, in a networking sense. <a href="http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/lifestyle/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html" rel="nofollow">We have published their meeting notes</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Since when did WikiLeaks become the <a href="http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-end-your-war-on-911-truth" rel="nofollow">tip of the spear</a> in the global war for truth, transparency, knowledge, and freedom? An organization that rejects the truth that 9/11 was <a href="http://thedailybell.com/1750/Frauds-of-WikiLeaks" rel="nofollow">an inside job</a> is not working to promote transparency, free speech, and truth, but more nefarious causes. </p>
<p>Those who seek to marginalize the global 9/11 <a href="http://911blogger.com/news/2010-07-22/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-annoyed-911-truth" rel="nofollow">truth and justice movement</a> are not on the right side of history. The official 9/11 fable does not rest on solid foundations, but on totalitarian propaganda and trauma-based collective brainwashing. By endorsing the 9/11 fable, WikiLeaks proved itself to be a compromised organization that has no interest in revealing <a href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/22/911-narrative-remains-broad-and-repetitious" rel="nofollow">secret truths</a> to the masses of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Braun</title>
		<link>https://thing2thing.com/?p=3822#comment-23550</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 03:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>• Bruce, as a foundation member of a party that purported to hold itself to the highest principles of transparency, accountability and justice -- nevertheless being &lt;a href=&quot;http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/wheres-that-wikileaks-party-inquiry.html?showComment=1379994981421#c6114156808452730269&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;taken for a ride&lt;/a&gt; -- I feel your pain: &quot;feeling like I&#039;d been set up and this was a party in name only&quot; principled. Party which ostensibly &quot;believes that truthful, accurate, factual information is the foundation of democracy&quot;. Essential to the protection of human rights and freedoms!

&quot;Where the truth is suppressed or distorted, corruption and injustice flourish&quot;, avowed WLP while giving insider accounts of a broken media system where controversial reports are suppressed, people are censored for speaking out, their lives are shattered. Precisely copped by me at the WLP &lt;a href=&quot;https://forum.wikileaksparty.org.au/index.php?topic=57.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;debate forum&lt;/a&gt; where a party member of the impeccable integrity has been vilified, name soiled and dragged through the mud in succession.

Whatever it takes to trash moral citizen who relied on civic courage, nourished by the championed truthfulness to shine a light on injustice and corruption in the era of universal deceit. As a result, &lt;a href=&quot;https://forum.wikileaksparty.org.au/index.php?topic=57.0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Political Asylum&lt;/a&gt; topic was sabotaged, locked and shafted from the general discussion. Relegated out-of-sight out-of-mind into oblivion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>• Bruce, as a foundation member of a party that purported to hold itself to the highest principles of transparency, accountability and justice &#8212; nevertheless being <a href="http://jaraparilla.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/wheres-that-wikileaks-party-inquiry.html?showComment=1379994981421#c6114156808452730269" rel="nofollow">taken for a ride</a> &#8212; I feel your pain: &#8220;feeling like I&#8217;d been set up and this was a party in name only&#8221; principled. Party which ostensibly &#8220;believes that truthful, accurate, factual information is the foundation of democracy&#8221;. Essential to the protection of human rights and freedoms!</p>
<p>&#8220;Where the truth is suppressed or distorted, corruption and injustice flourish&#8221;, avowed WLP while giving insider accounts of a broken media system where controversial reports are suppressed, people are censored for speaking out, their lives are shattered. Precisely copped by me at the WLP <a href="https://forum.wikileaksparty.org.au/index.php?topic=57.0" rel="nofollow">debate forum</a> where a party member of the impeccable integrity has been vilified, name soiled and dragged through the mud in succession.</p>
<p>Whatever it takes to trash moral citizen who relied on civic courage, nourished by the championed truthfulness to shine a light on injustice and corruption in the era of universal deceit. As a result, <a href="https://forum.wikileaksparty.org.au/index.php?topic=57.0" rel="nofollow">Political Asylum</a> topic was sabotaged, locked and shafted from the general discussion. Relegated out-of-sight out-of-mind into oblivion!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a party member with a great zeal to be involved, can I just say that my offers of assistance, my requests for info re policies and party structure were completely ignored. I received no communication beyond John Shipton&#039;s form welcome email.  I started feeling like I&#039;d been set up and this was a party in name only and the actual members were a necessarily evil.  On the volunteers forum I read story after story of meetings being organised and members showing up only to find no-one else there. There was no direction from party representatives/leaders and no clear indication of policies. In short, it was a fucking joke.

A friend and I also stopped by the rally against surveillance in Brisbane just in time to see Gary Lord, ostensibly representing Wikileaks/Wikileaks Party, give a badly put together speech that briefly mentioned WL, barely mentioned WLP and instead concetrated on  informing the small crowd about how 9/11 was a fucking cover-up while everyone, including myself, cringed.  He sounded like a juvenile lunatic in the face of other speakers who spoke about the problems of increasing surveillance and the war on whistleblowers and what we could do to hold the government to account. 

I left with a bad taste in my mouth wishing I&#039;d joined the Pirates instead. The only reason I remain a member is because I am a staunch advocate of freedom of information and support Wikileaks and Julian Assange and have this blind faith that eventually the Party will realise the bigger picture - that unless we get a groundswell happening now we&#039;ll all live in a prison with invisible bars where our every move is monitored - and start politicking accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a party member with a great zeal to be involved, can I just say that my offers of assistance, my requests for info re policies and party structure were completely ignored. I received no communication beyond John Shipton&#8217;s form welcome email.  I started feeling like I&#8217;d been set up and this was a party in name only and the actual members were a necessarily evil.  On the volunteers forum I read story after story of meetings being organised and members showing up only to find no-one else there. There was no direction from party representatives/leaders and no clear indication of policies. In short, it was a fucking joke.</p>
<p>A friend and I also stopped by the rally against surveillance in Brisbane just in time to see Gary Lord, ostensibly representing Wikileaks/Wikileaks Party, give a badly put together speech that briefly mentioned WL, barely mentioned WLP and instead concetrated on  informing the small crowd about how 9/11 was a fucking cover-up while everyone, including myself, cringed.  He sounded like a juvenile lunatic in the face of other speakers who spoke about the problems of increasing surveillance and the war on whistleblowers and what we could do to hold the government to account. </p>
<p>I left with a bad taste in my mouth wishing I&#8217;d joined the Pirates instead. The only reason I remain a member is because I am a staunch advocate of freedom of information and support Wikileaks and Julian Assange and have this blind faith that eventually the Party will realise the bigger picture &#8211; that unless we get a groundswell happening now we&#8217;ll all live in a prison with invisible bars where our every move is monitored &#8211; and start politicking accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Drysdale</title>
		<link>https://thing2thing.com/?p=3822#comment-22967</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Drysdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2013 00:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a few moments. All this outpouring is good for some, but those of us in the party, not in powerful positions, also felt distressed at the stupidity of the preference deal in NWS. The number crunchers got it wrong by not understanding who their support base was and thereby alienating many. 
However, demonising the family of Julian who have a lot at stake is not helpful. We want an ethical party and the only way to do that is to keep at it from within. Underestimating the importance of getting Julian elected resulted in unnecessary resignations and a collapse of the organisation. 
On the ground, fewer people on the booths mean&#039;t fewer votes. The booths that were manned collected a good percentage of votes. 
I am saddened that so many resigned which left a small core of us running around at pre polling booths and election day trying to cover vast areas with little organisational help.
To those people who stayed, my heart felt thanks. We were like solitary soldiers out there and it is a time I will remember always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a few moments. All this outpouring is good for some, but those of us in the party, not in powerful positions, also felt distressed at the stupidity of the preference deal in NWS. The number crunchers got it wrong by not understanding who their support base was and thereby alienating many.<br />
However, demonising the family of Julian who have a lot at stake is not helpful. We want an ethical party and the only way to do that is to keep at it from within. Underestimating the importance of getting Julian elected resulted in unnecessary resignations and a collapse of the organisation.<br />
On the ground, fewer people on the booths mean&#8217;t fewer votes. The booths that were manned collected a good percentage of votes.<br />
I am saddened that so many resigned which left a small core of us running around at pre polling booths and election day trying to cover vast areas with little organisational help.<br />
To those people who stayed, my heart felt thanks. We were like solitary soldiers out there and it is a time I will remember always.</p>
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		<title>By: CaTⓋ</title>
		<link>https://thing2thing.com/?p=3822#comment-22945</link>
		<dc:creator>CaTⓋ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The system was great, but the party campaign leader spoke today of abolishing it in favour of an autocratic structure. Wait and see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The system was great, but the party campaign leader spoke today of abolishing it in favour of an autocratic structure. Wait and see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CaTⓋ</title>
		<link>https://thing2thing.com/?p=3822#comment-22944</link>
		<dc:creator>CaTⓋ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ciaron. I heard you had a nice chat with Sam. Love your work too, and hope your ankle heals soon. Cathy xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ciaron. I heard you had a nice chat with Sam. Love your work too, and hope your ankle heals soon. Cathy xx</p>
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		<title>By: CaTⓋ</title>
		<link>https://thing2thing.com/?p=3822#comment-22942</link>
		<dc:creator>CaTⓋ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 16:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was about bringing the principles of Wikileaks to government in Australia: Truth, Accountability and Justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was about bringing the principles of Wikileaks to government in Australia: Truth, Accountability and Justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaron O'Reilly</title>
		<link>https://thing2thing.com/?p=3822#comment-22875</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciaron O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2013 00:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Folks, 

I am going to take time to reflect on this and come up with a considered response, at the moment I have no time. Today, it was the Arms Fair in London http://tinyurl.com/nwf23nm , tomorrow early morning it&#039;s John Kerry at 8 am at the Foreign Office. This mornnig I wasted 80 mins responding to a OZ Green Party lynch mob that has come out of me making an intervention in this WLP meltdown. Given that I am 12,000 miles away and am a christian anarchist non-voter this has been a significant distraction from important anti-war &amp; solidarity work at hand. All while we host 22 destitute refugees at Giuseppe Conlon House and deal with our eternal internal Catholic Worker, crisis that comes not merely from living ORworking together - but living AND working together.

We need to get over this  WLP meltdown, treat as a speed bump on the highway of trying to stop historic &amp; ongoing Australian complicity in U.S. massacres of children - this week Syrian children, next week? Also the important work of keeping a growing list of our comrades out of solitary confinement in U.S. gulags - originally Queenslander/ Melbournite Julian, U.S. born/ Old South Wales raised Chelsea, &quot;Fast Eddy&quot; outta Hawaii/ Hong Kong, Sarah, Lara, Glenn etc. This is THE important task at THIS historic moment - generating &amp; sustaining nonviolent resistance &amp; solidarity with war resisters.  

I personally know and love Julian Assange, John Shipton, Susan Manning. I have spoken to Christine on the phone and I can relate to her (like Susan Manning), because they are going through what my mother went through when I was banged up in U.S. prisons. I love the work of Sean &amp; Sam and have met them on skype. Sean first saw me as I was bashed at S11, dust myself down and get back into they fray. Julian was at S11 too. I did not meet either of them or see them there - I didn&#039;t need to, we were working together in nonviolent solidarity for a greater goal.

What I have got going for me is that I have played football since 1966 and continue to play (presently recovering from broken bone or severe ligament damage in ankle). That means I have worked with people in teams who didn&#039;t like me and I didn&#039;t like them for (literally) a greater GOAL! Sometimes I score those goals, sometimes I set them up and sometimes my best contribution is I get out of the fkn way of the ball.

We have all been hurt by the WLP meltdown (even this christan anarchist non-voter), we now need to dust ourself down and get back into fray. Literally the lives of Syrian children this week/ other children next week are dependent on it. The liberty of John &amp; Christine&#039;s son Julian, of Susan&#039;s child Chelsea, of Edward, Sarah Glenn etc are dependent on it. When the lives and liberty of children are at stake, those of us who have the ability to act as adults need to be acting as adults. We need to forgive each other.  The only thing that holds us back from forgiving and accepting forgiveness is our pride and fear.  I have pride and fear in vast quantaties. I can be too fearful to forgive, I can be too proud to be forgiven.
With that block all stops - community, nonviolent ressitance, solidarity. That&#039;s where the empire wants us as it goes about it&#039;s daily grind of producing orphans and kids corpses- as did in Vietnam, Bouganville, El Salvador, Nicaragua,  Colmbia, Timor Leste, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Syria

There endeth the lesoneth
I will make a more considered contribution to this debate, when I have more time
I have not had the time to have this dodgy ankle checked out
Here are some reflections of an interview I did on Friday night in London on Assange/ Manning Snowden solidarity &amp; the ongoing WLP meltdown &amp; the wnti-war &amp; solidarity work at hand tinyurl.com/63sk83o  

What  is happening with the WLP today, happened with the Nuclear Disarmament Party in the &#039;80&#039;s, in the Gospels with the original discipleship community, in every Catholic Worker community I have lived in over the last 30+ years, in the film &quot;The Commitments&quot;. It&#039;s nothing new.

Stay staunch (as they use to say in Boggo Rd.)
Keep the faith (as they use to say in Long Kesh)
Ciaron O&#039;Reilly, London</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Folks, </p>
<p>I am going to take time to reflect on this and come up with a considered response, at the moment I have no time. Today, it was the Arms Fair in London <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nwf23nm" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/nwf23nm</a> , tomorrow early morning it&#8217;s John Kerry at 8 am at the Foreign Office. This mornnig I wasted 80 mins responding to a OZ Green Party lynch mob that has come out of me making an intervention in this WLP meltdown. Given that I am 12,000 miles away and am a christian anarchist non-voter this has been a significant distraction from important anti-war &amp; solidarity work at hand. All while we host 22 destitute refugees at Giuseppe Conlon House and deal with our eternal internal Catholic Worker, crisis that comes not merely from living ORworking together &#8211; but living AND working together.</p>
<p>We need to get over this  WLP meltdown, treat as a speed bump on the highway of trying to stop historic &amp; ongoing Australian complicity in U.S. massacres of children &#8211; this week Syrian children, next week? Also the important work of keeping a growing list of our comrades out of solitary confinement in U.S. gulags &#8211; originally Queenslander/ Melbournite Julian, U.S. born/ Old South Wales raised Chelsea, &#8220;Fast Eddy&#8221; outta Hawaii/ Hong Kong, Sarah, Lara, Glenn etc. This is THE important task at THIS historic moment &#8211; generating &amp; sustaining nonviolent resistance &amp; solidarity with war resisters.  </p>
<p>I personally know and love Julian Assange, John Shipton, Susan Manning. I have spoken to Christine on the phone and I can relate to her (like Susan Manning), because they are going through what my mother went through when I was banged up in U.S. prisons. I love the work of Sean &amp; Sam and have met them on skype. Sean first saw me as I was bashed at S11, dust myself down and get back into they fray. Julian was at S11 too. I did not meet either of them or see them there &#8211; I didn&#8217;t need to, we were working together in nonviolent solidarity for a greater goal.</p>
<p>What I have got going for me is that I have played football since 1966 and continue to play (presently recovering from broken bone or severe ligament damage in ankle). That means I have worked with people in teams who didn&#8217;t like me and I didn&#8217;t like them for (literally) a greater GOAL! Sometimes I score those goals, sometimes I set them up and sometimes my best contribution is I get out of the fkn way of the ball.</p>
<p>We have all been hurt by the WLP meltdown (even this christan anarchist non-voter), we now need to dust ourself down and get back into fray. Literally the lives of Syrian children this week/ other children next week are dependent on it. The liberty of John &amp; Christine&#8217;s son Julian, of Susan&#8217;s child Chelsea, of Edward, Sarah Glenn etc are dependent on it. When the lives and liberty of children are at stake, those of us who have the ability to act as adults need to be acting as adults. We need to forgive each other.  The only thing that holds us back from forgiving and accepting forgiveness is our pride and fear.  I have pride and fear in vast quantaties. I can be too fearful to forgive, I can be too proud to be forgiven.<br />
With that block all stops &#8211; community, nonviolent ressitance, solidarity. That&#8217;s where the empire wants us as it goes about it&#8217;s daily grind of producing orphans and kids corpses- as did in Vietnam, Bouganville, El Salvador, Nicaragua,  Colmbia, Timor Leste, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Syria</p>
<p>There endeth the lesoneth<br />
I will make a more considered contribution to this debate, when I have more time<br />
I have not had the time to have this dodgy ankle checked out<br />
Here are some reflections of an interview I did on Friday night in London on Assange/ Manning Snowden solidarity &amp; the ongoing WLP meltdown &amp; the wnti-war &amp; solidarity work at hand tinyurl.com/63sk83o  </p>
<p>What  is happening with the WLP today, happened with the Nuclear Disarmament Party in the &#8217;80&#8242;s, in the Gospels with the original discipleship community, in every Catholic Worker community I have lived in over the last 30+ years, in the film &#8220;The Commitments&#8221;. It&#8217;s nothing new.</p>
<p>Stay staunch (as they use to say in Boggo Rd.)<br />
Keep the faith (as they use to say in Long Kesh)<br />
Ciaron O&#8217;Reilly, London</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Sievers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Sievers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Sep 2013 13:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only listened to two of the interviews and I will say the following. Sam Castro makes it quite clear that her primary loyalty was to keep Scott Ludlam (who happens to be in the Australian Greens) in the Senate. I respect that, he is a fine senator. However I joined the Wikileaks party because it had - among other things - the goal of electing JULIAN ASSANGE to the Senate. I think Sam did the honest thing to get out of the WL Party because she does not share its goals. Too bad she had to spread shit all over the walls in the process. The worst thing that could happen to Scott Ludlam is that he would loose his Senate seat. The worst thing that could happen to Julian Assange is that he is either assasinated or handed over to the US. As I said, Sam just realized that she joined the wrong party. Better luck next time.
I also listened to the &quot;ethicist&quot; Leslie Cannold. As a retired philosopher I will only say that people who claim to be experts in ethics - whether they are secular or religions - deceive themselves and others. Their opinions are of no more and no less worth than anyone else without such a grand title. She puts great emphasis on &quot;democracy&quot;. We couldn&#039;t be part of any party that was not completely democratic. She too has done the right thing and resigned. As I said, I joined the WL Party to raise awarness about the way Julian Assange was being screwed by his own country - and the US to boot. Frankly I never gave the &quot;constitution&quot; a second thought. I assumed that the organizers of the party were putting something together which could register as a party under Australian law and contest for Senate seats in the 2013 election and beyond. I know next to nothing about the disputes which led to these resignations, but I do know what the effect was of the noisy resignations which have occurred. I can see that these people are very pleased with themselves, but when I think about Julian trapped in the little room in London, I can&#039;t for the life of me understand why.
I actually have had more real disgreements with the decisions of the National Council than either of these two people, decisions which they probably agreed with.   Have you heard? Why not? Because my opinions about policy count for nothing when compared to the goal - as I see it - of providing as much knowleldge about Julian Assange and protecting him from his own government by raising awareness in Australia about his activities and his plight. 
By contrast, these two people have loyalties and/or opinions which - to them - are more important than the goal of protecting Julian Assange and the Wikileaks organization. Fine, it is not for me to decide what is important to these people. But as I keep saying, because of their opinions and loyalties, they have discovered that they do not belong in the WL Party. Sadly, as they keep going on publicly about how disappointed they are in the WL Party, they join a long list of people who have been close to Julian at one time or another and then for their own reasons decide that he, or his organization, or the associated party, are really just the worst thing since.....since what??? Since the murder of those journalists in Baghdad? Whose blood does he have on his hands now...? 
Anyway this will all die down eventually. Sooner or later Sam and Leslie will find another cause to join. Just let me know what it is so I can make sure I have nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only listened to two of the interviews and I will say the following. Sam Castro makes it quite clear that her primary loyalty was to keep Scott Ludlam (who happens to be in the Australian Greens) in the Senate. I respect that, he is a fine senator. However I joined the Wikileaks party because it had &#8211; among other things &#8211; the goal of electing JULIAN ASSANGE to the Senate. I think Sam did the honest thing to get out of the WL Party because she does not share its goals. Too bad she had to spread shit all over the walls in the process. The worst thing that could happen to Scott Ludlam is that he would loose his Senate seat. The worst thing that could happen to Julian Assange is that he is either assasinated or handed over to the US. As I said, Sam just realized that she joined the wrong party. Better luck next time.<br />
I also listened to the &#8220;ethicist&#8221; Leslie Cannold. As a retired philosopher I will only say that people who claim to be experts in ethics &#8211; whether they are secular or religions &#8211; deceive themselves and others. Their opinions are of no more and no less worth than anyone else without such a grand title. She puts great emphasis on &#8220;democracy&#8221;. We couldn&#8217;t be part of any party that was not completely democratic. She too has done the right thing and resigned. As I said, I joined the WL Party to raise awarness about the way Julian Assange was being screwed by his own country &#8211; and the US to boot. Frankly I never gave the &#8220;constitution&#8221; a second thought. I assumed that the organizers of the party were putting something together which could register as a party under Australian law and contest for Senate seats in the 2013 election and beyond. I know next to nothing about the disputes which led to these resignations, but I do know what the effect was of the noisy resignations which have occurred. I can see that these people are very pleased with themselves, but when I think about Julian trapped in the little room in London, I can&#8217;t for the life of me understand why.<br />
I actually have had more real disgreements with the decisions of the National Council than either of these two people, decisions which they probably agreed with.   Have you heard? Why not? Because my opinions about policy count for nothing when compared to the goal &#8211; as I see it &#8211; of providing as much knowleldge about Julian Assange and protecting him from his own government by raising awareness in Australia about his activities and his plight.<br />
By contrast, these two people have loyalties and/or opinions which &#8211; to them &#8211; are more important than the goal of protecting Julian Assange and the Wikileaks organization. Fine, it is not for me to decide what is important to these people. But as I keep saying, because of their opinions and loyalties, they have discovered that they do not belong in the WL Party. Sadly, as they keep going on publicly about how disappointed they are in the WL Party, they join a long list of people who have been close to Julian at one time or another and then for their own reasons decide that he, or his organization, or the associated party, are really just the worst thing since&#8230;..since what??? Since the murder of those journalists in Baghdad? Whose blood does he have on his hands now&#8230;?<br />
Anyway this will all die down eventually. Sooner or later Sam and Leslie will find another cause to join. Just let me know what it is so I can make sure I have nothing to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I became inspired to join ADFoWL and later the Wikileaks Party was  after I saw the Collateral Murder Video I felt who ever had the courage to put that out must have much courage and determination to get the message out about a war crime  to the population, a message that mainstream media is not even trying to get out, in fact they do the exact opposite.  I also felt great empathy for Julian Assange because of the way he was being pursued by the world&#039;s greatest super power. 
 The current problems in the Wikileaks Party totally surprise me because we all know &#039;democracy&#039;  is an important value and something to aspire to but to survive in the political landscape if you are not prepared to be pragmatic you will not survive for very long, as we have just experienced.
My loyalty is to Julian Assange and Wikileaks, and the goal of the Wikileaks Party was to get Julian Assange into the Senate, which after watching these interviews, I get the impression the people who resigned had loyalties else where.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I became inspired to join ADFoWL and later the Wikileaks Party was  after I saw the Collateral Murder Video I felt who ever had the courage to put that out must have much courage and determination to get the message out about a war crime  to the population, a message that mainstream media is not even trying to get out, in fact they do the exact opposite.  I also felt great empathy for Julian Assange because of the way he was being pursued by the world&#8217;s greatest super power.<br />
 The current problems in the Wikileaks Party totally surprise me because we all know &#8216;democracy&#8217;  is an important value and something to aspire to but to survive in the political landscape if you are not prepared to be pragmatic you will not survive for very long, as we have just experienced.<br />
My loyalty is to Julian Assange and Wikileaks, and the goal of the Wikileaks Party was to get Julian Assange into the Senate, which after watching these interviews, I get the impression the people who resigned had loyalties else where.<br />
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